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Discussion in 'SOF Mentor Program' started by TLDR20, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. Warchief

    Warchief Special Forces Verified SOF

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    Spider,

    The 2 key words in your question: TEAM and LEADER. For the most part, Team Leaders are temporary hired help. I don't mean this in a derogatory manner but a simple statement of fact. Team Leader tenure is usually short compared to the NCOs who are the life blood of the team. The Team Leader position is a chance to learn a profession, apply leadership techniques and management skills in an extremely demanding atmosphere. IF, you make it thru SFAS, drop me a PM. I will send you the short boiled down, in a nutshell briefing I used to give an O when he was assigned to my team explaining what he should focus on to ensure he had a successful command tour as a Special Forces Team Leader.
     
  2. Spider6

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    Warchief, thanks much. Will PM you IF selected. Thanks again
     
  3. Taylor

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    Alright Cback im posting :

    Hello all, im currently a High School Senior and have been looking into 18X for approximately 5 months now.
    Im a JROTC cadet, received an 84 on my ASVAB with a 121 GT
    I work out everyday at 430 as well as serve as a personal physical trainer with other students from my school.
    I meet all requirement for the army and want to serve as long as possible.

    Now, I know tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people "want to be Special Forces" because they want to be whats shown in movies, the A-Team that busts into a country, and walks out after doing ridiculous stuff lol. But, I have a different motive in mind. I would actually like to be on an FID team, and get to, instead of causing tons of destruction, help other countries.
     
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  4. CDG

    CDG JTAC Vetting Staff

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    Let me explain why I "Hate" your post. You were already told multiple times to fix your grammar, and in the Mentor thread where you post specifically to be evaluated by current and former SOF personnel, this sorry-ass excuse for a post is what you come up with? I am not going to deign to speak about whether you're qualified or not, or anything else like that, but I will say that as another SF wannabe I would not want you in my class based on the way you present yourself here.
     
  5. Taylor

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    What is incorrect about my grammar? I was told by Cback to post what I want to do. So, that's what I did.
     
  6. CDG

    CDG JTAC Vetting Staff

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  7. Taylor

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    Ah, Roger. I'll triple check before posting.
    I did mean 0430 and also, "with other students from my school."
     
  8. SkrewzLoose

    SkrewzLoose Something Clever Verified Military

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    Taylor, I think your intentions here are good. You want to serve your country and that's admirable in my book.
    A few things you have to realize though. This website is a community of professionals who have done all the things you want to do and more. If you're being scrutinized, it's probably for a good reason. Take the advice that's being offered to you, regardless of how it's conveyed. I've had my dick stomped here on more than one occasion. I quit during my SOF pipeline. I've been told to stay in my lane by the admin. CDG just hated one of my posts yesterday. :D I learned my lessons and I'm still around. Most of my contributions are limited to a few specific areas of this website. I know when I have no business chiming in on something. You're 1 day in with 11 posts already. Ask questions after doing your research and be a sponge.
    Again, I fully believe your heart is in the right place and I admire what you're trying to achieve.
    I hope this helps some.
     
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  9. Etype

    Etype Special Forces Verified Sniper

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    - Being a "personal trainer" would sound good on a Bally Total Fitness interview, but it's more likely to be taken negatively in the SOF community. If you have a true specialty (CrossFit, powerlifting, track, boxing, etc), then include it- it's more valuable.
    - Every team does FID, most of the military does FID. It's SFs way of specifically describing a mission set. If FID gives you a feeling of fulfillment, you are probably a raging liberal. If you are a true conservative or libertarian, FID will be, in most cases, un-American to you. However, you will do it because you are a member of a democratic society, in a military under civilian leadership, and will execute the American agenda as those leaders see fit.
    - If you don't want to cause tons of destruction, don't join SF. Causing tons of destruction is the name of the game, whether we do it ourselves or through surrogates, and whether it's overt, covert, or clandestine. It's not always to people or infrastructure, there are plenty of networks and governments that get it, too. If you want to help countries through positive, 'feel good' actions- look into CA.
     
  10. Coyote

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    I hope I'm not going out of my lane but I think this needs to be said.

    I agree with SkrewzLoose on how you have good intentions, but as a SF soldier you aren't only going to be doing FID. That is one of the six primary missions US Army SF have. You will be trained to kill people and may have to do so. If that's not your cup of coffee, then you need to re-evaluate your goals. If your only objective is to help less fortunate people in impoverished countries, sign up with some church group, go over to impoverished countries, and aid their less fortunate people.
     
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  11. Freefalling

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    You hope you aren't going out of your lane, but then you want to tell someone about what they will do while in the Special Forces?

    This will offend some people I like, but it needs to be said:

    If you haven't "walked the walk" then maybe you don't need to post in this thread or offer up advice.
     
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  12. Coyote

    Coyote Verified Military Verified Military

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    My bad. Will not happen again.
     
  13. FlyingSquirrel

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    Okay, I have been known to make a mistake or two (not just on websites) but then again, so does everyone. I will do my best to keep my grammar in check.

    After reading thoroughly through most (if not every) link that has been posted in this thread or relates to this thread I have decided to share my 'story'.

    Similar to other replies; I don't deserve a spot in SOF. I don't deserve anything in life, as a teacher once told me "You are obligated to work for everything in life. Nothing comes to you and life sure as hell 'ain't fair."

    Now for my story/rant:

    I am 17 years old, finishing up my last semester in school (Four months to be exact) and have been 'working' towards the Canadian Forces for about two years now. I have only taken the past year or so more serious (however, after reading many posts- I shouldn't be taking it so 'serious') towards obtaining my goal; earning the Tan Beret and getting into CANSOF. I still like to think of myself as an average teenager; going to parties, chasing girls, the works except throughout my young life i've always been told I am "very mature for my age" blah blah blah. I don't know why, but I never really took that in as a 'complement'. I interpreted it as being singled out. Anyways, throughout my "young" life I have always been fascinated by the Military. I never understood why people would look up to celebrities. I always thought that if I were given the chance to get an autograph of somebody it would be someone who served in the Armed Forces. Just the way I thought, for obvious reasons. No questions asked. I was never really in to sports though, that was until (bear with me) I started playing paintball. That's when I learned the true meaning of a 'Team Sport'. It was all about the guy next to you and trusting them with your 'life' (I use that term very, very loosely). As I played more and more it became apparent that we weren't just a 'team' or a group of 'friends'. We were family. It was the only way to get some of the trust from each other.

    Fast forward 3 or so years and I quit paintball. Sold all my gear (bloody expensive for one, I'll tell you that much). I wanted to go 'pro' and move down south to California blah blah blah, but that's another story. I said "I'm going to go into the Military. That's what I want to do- that's my dream." Fast forward to March 2011. I finished all my paperwork and head on down to the recruiters' office. I was going to join the Reserves for my last year and a half of HS and then transfer over to the 'regs'. After chatting with the Recruiter, I was told that it didn't make any sense to go into the reserves, get all my paperwork for the reserves and then transfer out. I was told it would just be a hassle and a pain in the ass for me. He told me that I should just focus on school and so that's what I did. It was rough, but it was the truth. Then I had some (what I used to call) 'hard times'. Was bullied (I was kind of a puss), and figured it would be hard to stay at that school without smashing each and every one of 'their' faces in. Switched schools blah blah blah. Now although it sucked to go through that with people that I used to all "friends" I was and still am glad that it happened. I realized how stupid 'they' and I were, when together; I would skip school, not complete my shit, and look at everything as a hassle. I got my act together and focused on my goal; getting into the Army (yes, and finishing school. Goal #1). As cliche as it sounds; for as long as there have been 'people', there have been warriors and I want- no need to be in that brotherhood. The more I read the more I was hooked. I love being pushed and I love pushing my self. In my opinion, I can never do something perfect but I can be damn near 'perfect' every time and push my self harder and harder. Things like: "Oh my gosh, it's so cold!", "Ugh, I have to pay my phone bill..", "This sucks..", "I can't do it", "This is hard." (refrain from the jokes gentlemen) etc - i'm sure you get the point - were starting to piss me off.

    A 'Civilian' life is not for me. And although it's not all about the fancy gadgets, kicking down doors and jumping out of airplanes, it plays a huge part into why I want to go into SOF. Problem is, I (most civvies) just don't know enough as i'd like to on CANSOF (but as much as I need to know). I'll put it into context as if I lived down south. Without a doubt I would go into the USN and work my ass off to become a SEAL. I love the water, I don't care for the cold (yes, after reading many books on frogmen, including Lone Survivor the word 'cold' has a whole new meaning), and I want to be a part of that brotherhood. Whilst reading Lone Survivor, I once again knew that the SOF community was right for me. It's not about the glory or feeling I want to be the best it's about living that way of life and doing something I feel is my calling and nothing will stop me from reaching that goal. Everyone is capable of becoming the best of themselves but not everyone is 'right' for the military and although I have no idea if I am 'right' for CANSOF (I will know soon) I am sure as hell 'right' for the military. I am ready to sacrifice anything and everything to fight with the elite of the elite and kill every f*cker that is an 'enemy' of Canada and it's Allies.

    Now, I would just like to thank all the mods and members for setting this up. This is truly what people need if they want to get into this profession. I can't describe how grateful I am, not only for your service, but for the help you are giving to others.

    Now back to lurking
     
  14. FlyingSquirrel

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    To be honest, I still don't think I have said half of what I truly want to say. For some reason I just can't find the words to describe how I feel. I'll see what i'm like in the morning.

    P.S. Sorry for the double post.
     
  15. Etype

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    Nobody does, but that means someone has to stand up and TAKE those spots. Most guys know they don't deserve a spot, but damn well know there is one waiting for them- so they get out there and take it.

    No, it's also about throwing around heavy ass barbells and destrominating badass workouts. It's also about chicks, for the good guys, too- most SOF wives are hot. It may fit into the gadget category, but it's also about shooting sweet guns from ridiculous distances, in crazy conditions, from an insane position. What I'm saying is, it's 80% boring, 20% badassery- live your life for the 20%.
     
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  16. TLDR20

    TLDR20 Special Forces Moderating Staff

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    Too true!
     
  17. FlyingSquirrel

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    Mind if I quote you on that? Fucking awesome!
     
  18. wustehase

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    Warning: Wall of Text incoming. I sat down and thought a lot about this before I typed it out. Sorry if it's a bit much, I had some diarrhea of the brain/keyboard.


    The first time I heard about MARSOC was from my friend Diego, a fellow Sergeant. After he brought it up, I kept researching and digging. Back then, it was about the thrill of being a “HSLD Door Kicker,” the “coolness,” if you will, of being a (Critical Skills) Operator. Now, I’d done PT on a regular basis, enough to keep myself around 155#. I’d run a MCMAP course, in August in Arizona, and thought I was in good shape. I did a few light-ruck hikes in Yuma, nothing too crazy, but I thought it would be plenty. I didn’t adhere to the “10 Week Plan” to the letter; I thought I was fine. I figured, “Hell, I’m from Arizona, I’ve been in a pool almost year round my whole life,” and I had just finished my 2nd Class swim qual. I waited until the following year, after I’d had a chance to finish Sgt’s Course. I left for A&S (this was prior to the implementation of ASPOC) in May of 2010, thinking I would do just fine.

    Was I ever wrong.

    Without going into too many details, I arrived and got started. After hearing the CO and SgtMaj speak about MARSOC and what it stood for, I decided “this is for me; this is what I was meant for.” That was my introduction to the people, the lifestyle, and the mindset of MARSOC. I knew that I hadn’t even scratched the surface, though, and was overwhelmed with the possibilities I thought were right ahead of me with this fine organization.

    All of this was floating around in my head, right up until the time came to get in the pool. At the time, I was still thinking to myself that it would be a cakewalk. I love jumping off towers and boards into the pool, no big. Then came the 300m swim. Still thinking I was off to a great start, I jumped in and started my normal side stroke. Very quickly I became aware of just how out of shape I really was and the trouble I was in. I hit the bottom halfway through my 3rd lap, got warned, and I stopped. I finally realized I was so far out of my league, that these people swimming around me were willing and able to push themselves so much further, and I would fail them when it mattered. I’m not making excuses, I plain screwed up, and I was going to pay the price. So it was out of the pool with this candidate. I was told that I could try again at a later date, and checked out. Shortly thereafter I found myself on a plane home.

    After I got back, I got orders across the street to a new squadron. I knew I wanted to go back and try again, at some point. But at the same time, I was comfortable in my new shop and decided to put my MARSOC quest on hold for a while. My first month at my new squadron, I was awarded the opportunity to travel to the Mountain Warfare Training Center (or MWTC) in Bridgeport, CA and role-play aggressors for the grunts. I had a blast there, and learned a lot from the short time I was amongst the ground-side. I also realized how screwed I would’ve been if I’d somehow made it past the swim portion of A&S. After a month of walking around at 10,000+ feet in real, no-shit mountains - even with a light pack - I knew that it was a serious thing, it wasn’t just “oh, a few miles in boots and a pack, no big deal.” Fortunately for me, my feet withstood the experience and I was at least glad for that. I think my time in Bridgeport was the most enjoyable I’ve had in the Corps thus far. It opened my eyes to a whole new world of “things Marines do.”

    While at my new shop, I started to think about other career options if I decided to get out at the end of this enlistment. My wife had just started a new job and was making her way up the ranks, and we were happy in Yuma. I started looking at other jobs in the local area that I could try for, like the Sheriff’s Office, or Border Patrol, or something in a completely different field altogether. (I’m a bit of a tech-nut, I love building and benchmarking and pushing computers, and thought about opening my own shop). So my desire for MARSOC slowly got pushed further to the back of my mind, until it basically wasn’t a consideration anymore.

    A few months later, I saw an article about this new “ASPOC” thing being implemented, and thought that it sounded absolutely brilliant. I remember talking with a couple of the cadre during my check-out procedure, about the attrition rates at my class and prior classes, and I was shocked. Shortly after that, I got word that I’d be deploying on the 11th MEU. After a false-start date of June and a few workups, we finally got underway in November of 2011. The first couple months out were pretty dull, and I had a lot of free time. After talking to a couple of guys in my shop who had been reading about MARSOC, I decided to do some researching. After a couple hours of reading, my desire to try for MARSOC again was stronger than ever. I decided to stop kidding myself that I could be happy just EAS’ing and getting a regular job, without having pushed myself to do A&S until I was selected or told I was no longer welcome to return. MARSOC was and is everything that I want/wanted to do, and now I had a far better reason than the “cool factor” that got me interested in the first place. Personally, I feel I’ve done a lot of growing up in the past 2 years, since my first attempt. I understand a lot more thoroughly what is required of the individuals that are a part of MARSOC, the kind of drive and determination that makes them elite. So my reasons have changed, from simply “that sounds like a fun job, flashbangs and HALOs and sniping, oh my” to knowing that this is going to take every last bit of effort on my part, and then some. I want to find out how far I can go, and push past that. I want to be a part of that group of people, the elites, that know how to push themselves. I want to earn that opportunity, that privilege, to work with these people, to be a part of that fraternity. I don’t want to just “settle” for something I know I can do without too much effort on my part. I’d be bored out of my mind, and I’d never stop kicking myself and wondering if I could have made it.

    So, I’m quoting Etype here:
    “What I'm saying is, it's 80% boring, 20% badassery- live your life for the 20%.” I want to live for that 20%.

    That’s where I’m at now. I cut the junk out of my diet, and I’m not on my ass watching movies and playing Xbox with the rest of the shop anymore. I found out there’s a SEAL Fit instructor doing classes on board, so I’m jumping in there. I’m doing Spin classes on the off days. (Hell, I’ve even started learning Arabic. Thank you, Rosetta Stone.) I’m learning how to prepare myself like I didn’t do last time. I can’t do any hiking or swimming out here, but dammit, I can push myself as hard as I can to get ready so that when I get home, that “10 week plan” isn’t so daunting. I plan on being as prepared as I possibly can for the next ASPOC I can slot into. And I’m looking for like-minded people, especially those who have been where I’m at and made it. (Shout out to HolyBear, your story is an inspiration to me; yours and isfriday’s thread is what got me to this site, and I’ve been soaking up information like a sponge ever since.)

    I’ll end this with another of Etype’s quotes:
    “Nobody does, but that means someone has to stand up and TAKE those spots. Most guys know they don't deserve a spot, but damn well know there is one waiting for them- so they get out there and take it.”

    Etype, I’d like to thank you for your proverbial “kick in the ass” here.
     
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  19. x SF med

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    One thing I have to say... arguing with any "Verified Military" or especially any "Verified SOF" in this area is probably not the best idea you ever had. Whiny, unresearched posts like that quoted above are a 10 pound bag of fail. Please rethink your goals and/or adjust your attitude.
     
  20. JUA

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    Introduction that explains why you want to come to SOF/Why you want to be my teammate:

    It was last year, my first year of college, when I met a 23 year old marine that would change the entire course of my life. This man was a Marine Corps scout sniper who had just left the military to attend college. We met at a party and ended up becoming very close friends. There where a few things I initially noticed about him. 1. impeccable posture 2. groomed appearance 3. confidence 4. extremely clean house 5. successful and talented at everything he tried. I envied this Marine, his success in life and with women was undoubtedly incredible.

    When this Marine offered me the chance to be his roommate for this year I jumped at the opportunity. I was so excited, I though that perhaps a fraction of this man's success may rub off on me. Lets just say that the first few weeks of living with a Marine was like jumping into an ice cold lake; It was a giant wake up call. I have quite a few memorable events from this year. Like when I was picked up by my throat because the floor was sticky in the kitchen from a mess I had made earlier and had not cleaned up. Or the time after leaving the back door to the house unlocked he stood over me and let me know that if his belongings were ever stolen because I left the door unlocked that he would kill me. Many men would think about moving out after incidents like that, they might have thought that this man is abusive, or that they are a victim. I however am thankful for every incident just like these

    He helped me realize that I had NO attention to detail, that I was a very dirty and unorganized person, and last that I had no discipline nor self control.

    Throughout the course of this year I have changed so much. I can now say that I am a very clean person, that I have an attention to detail greater than that of my college peers, and that my discipline and self control are improving. I am now happier and more successful than I have ever been in my life. Why? Because I was held to a higher standard.

    Why do I want to be in SOF? Because:
    I want to be continuously torn down and rebuilt as a stronger person.
    I want order and discipline to be an integral part of my life.
    I want to be challenged everyday.
    I want to find out what my limits really are.
    I want to be held to the highest standards that a man can be held to.

    specific SOF goals:Army SF


    why you think you deserve to be here:
    I am dedicated to growing and improving myself to meet and exceed the standards SF are held to. I have an gift for learning languages. I am interested in foreign cultures. Excellent athleticism.

    the research you have done on those goals:
    researched:


    History, mission, and role of SF
    SFAS
    Training pipeline beyond SFAS
    Attrition rates

    the steps you have already taken to meet them:
    Purchased
    Get Selected!
    Currently majoring in Arabic.
    Correcting Running form to improve long distance run times.
    Saving money to purchase boots and pack for rucking practice.
    Saving money for corrective eye surgery (shooting for 18x option)



    what you see as your current plan of action:
    1. Get into contact with people who can help me reach my goal
    2. Finish College with excellent grades ( 2 years left)
    3. Develop a training regime for physical fitness specific to SFAS
    4. Develop land navigation skills, rope climbing, conquer fear of heights

    I would really like a mentor!
     

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