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Discussion in 'SOF Mentor Program' started by TLDR20, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. Jay

    Jay FISTer Verified Military

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    I know how to stand on my own two feet just fine. I have faith and confidence in myself and my abilities. At the end of the day the only thing stopping me from achieving my goal is me. You don't have to understand where I am coming from and I don't expect you to. My faith drives me day in and day out. If I commit to anything, if I give my word, I stand by it. I will find out if I am SOF material or not at some point, and I am going to prepare myself the best way I can, by learning as much as possible and pushing myself every day in training. Until I get there I am simply here to learn.

    In all seriousness, I appreciate the encouragement and any advice given, because I have no experience on these matters. But, I will not change who I am for anything, especially regarding my belief's. I'm not going to be fake and pretend that I'm the hardest guy alive or that I'm not going to look to God when times are tough, regardless of the situation. It's what I do, it's who I am. SOF or not.
     
  2. pardus

    pardus Moderating Staff

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    OK, Have fun.
     
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  3. Freefalling

    Freefalling Administrator

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    A word in general for you new guys: What is the deal with the military, especially SOF, as some type of OJT for Phase II in life? Do you know if you enlisted to be an air traffic controller, completed training, did the job for how many ever years and then left thinking the FAA will hire you....you'd be screwed because the FAA isn't taking prior service ATC guys and gals? Whoopsie! Do you know how many high speed computer and radio types AREN'T working for a three letter agency or one of the Big 6 defense contractors? How many MP/ Security Forces/ Master at Arms types AREN'T civilian LEOs right now?

    Look, do what you want, but don't enlist thinking that x number of years as a SEAL, Ranger, Ninja, or whatever means that every door will be open to you. Just doing x or y doesn't mean that your phone will ring or anyone will care about your resume. You can look ahead, and you should, but you can load the deck in your favor and the House can still hit 21, you know?
     
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  4. TLDR20

    TLDR20 Nurse, former 18D Administrator

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    I can second this. I have a crazy resume for FP but haven't gotten a call back from a single EP job.
     
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  5. policemedic

    policemedic Verified SWAT

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    You certainly sound like an honorable and principled man, and I respect that. A couple of things stood out in your post that I wanted to address. I stay out of SOF threads, as I prefer to stay in my lane, but what I'm going to ask isn't SOF-specific.

    You're interested in the PJs due to their CSAR mission. The first letter stands for combat. PJs save lives, which appears to be your calling. But PJs also kill people. Have you considered the reality that if selected and deployed, you will have to take life in order to preserve life? This is the lot of any combat medic, be they conventional or SOF.
     
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  6. Tropicana98

    Tropicana98 Ranger Verified SOF

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    To answer this question I don't really care about after I serve. I just want to get to Regiment,be an NCO there, and show future batt boys the way after that is irrelevant to me.
     
  7. pardus

    pardus Moderating Staff

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    Rather ambitious don't you think? Guess you missed the whole 25M thing... :rolleyes:
     
  8. Lukas Kelly

    Lukas Kelly Unverified

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    That's unfortunate. I thought I had read that there was an officer version of that. Looking at the jobs they do have, I'm split between two for right now, until I find more info on the careers. In the end, both would lead to me using my GI bill to continue my education, and to get an MBA to start working into business, preferably in the international sector. The two fields I'm split between right now are Security Forces officer because of family tradition(My Grandfather was an MP, my mom works for them as a civilian, and my father and uncles were almost all civilian police officers) or Intelligence Officer because I'd be good at it, and I'd at least be supporting our guys who are in combat.
     
  9. Freefalling

    Freefalling Administrator

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    Your first post, I snipped out the irrelevant parts:
    Look...I don't like to be an Internet Tough Guy because that's not me, but seriously.....have you lost your mind? What do you want to be next? An elephant trainer? Post #1 has STO, then you doing Intel work, and then you're back to being a STO.

    In and of itself that is troubling, but then we have Post #2 where STO isn't even mentioned but now you want to be a Security Forces officer or Intel?

    So in the span of a few HOURS you have chosen 3 different primary career fields and one alternate. Not one single soul on this board is going to take you seriously when you are talking nonsense like this. I won't even touch upon the "I'd be good at it" part of the post because that's just...arrogant beyond words.

    Good luck with whatever it is you think you might want to do.
     
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  10. Tropicana98

    Tropicana98 Ranger Verified SOF

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    I didn't I swear been doing a little drinking tonight...my apologies.
     
  11. Tropicana98

    Tropicana98 Ranger Verified SOF

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    Meant to quote this along with my response.
     
  12. TLDR20

    TLDR20 Nurse, former 18D Administrator

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    Fucking no go!
     
  13. Marauder06

    Marauder06 Intel Enabler Moderating Staff

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    There are officer career paths in which you could receive language training and/or do crypto, but they're not entry-level. Generally speaking, when you start off as a young officer, let's say intel, chances are you're going to be put in a "vanilla" leadership position as a tactical intelligence officer, for which there is no language requirement. At about the time you make 1LT(P) or captain, you can go the Foreign Area Officer route, try out for Special Forces, or compete for one of the "spooky" MI units which has a language training requirement. There are also additional skill training for officers like the Junior Officer Career Cryptologic Program, and the 35G SIGINT officer course. There are also units in which you could do crypto in language, but that's far down the road for you and we're not going to go into that here.

    There are lots of options, but if all you want to do is crypto and have guaranteed language training, you might want to think about enlisting.

    If your long-term goals include an MBA, here's a possible career path for you. Do ROTC, major in something language-related since that seems to be what you're interested in, get commissioned as an officer (doesn't matter what branch, but military intel is a good field ;) ), do an outstanding job as a company-grade officer, after a successful company command try out for advanced civil schooling, earn your MBA, return to the force where you can put those business skills to use, and have a long and productive career serving your country.
     
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  14. Jay

    Jay FISTer Verified Military

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    Well it's something that I've had to consider being that it's the military, it's something that every single recruit must consider, regardless of MOS. So to answer your question, I will do whatever I have to do to complete the mission. Taking a life is not what bothers me(I have never been in the situation, it doesn't bother me because I simply don't know due to no experience). Leaving a man behind does. My entire life I have been brought up by one principal. God, Country, Family and to protect and/or stand up for those who cant do it for themselves. At the end of the day, if that's what it takes to save a fellow country man, brother in arms, or ally, I'll do so. There are sheep, and there are wolves. We need sheep dogs.

    Side note, I've decided to enlist in the Navy as a Corpsman, volunteer for FMF and potentially SARC.
     
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  15. Lukas Kelly

    Lukas Kelly Unverified

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    What? Someone told me that crypto linguists are an enlisted specialty, and that it probably wouldn't work as a back up. So, I reassessed and narrowed it down to two different alternates in plac of a crypto linguist. Neither of those are my primary, and I thought that was clear because we were discussing back-up plans



    I've never actually thought about doing international business for the military. But now that I think about it, that sounds like a pretty good route for either back up plan, or after I retire from AFSOF.
     
  16. TLDR20

    TLDR20 Nurse, former 18D Administrator

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    I thought you want to be a security guard?
     
  17. Lukas Kelly

    Lukas Kelly Unverified

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    As a back-up, either Security Forces Officer or Intelligence Officer. But he was suggesting for after I get out after awhile serving, and use the GI bill to get my MBA. I had thought about doing international business in the private sector, but he was suggesting instead of doing it in the private sector, re-join the military and do it for them.
     
  18. Freefalling

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    "International business for the military?" You are lost, Lukas. Skill sets from an MBA can/ are used for leading units, but your posts, all of them, read like you are struggling to stay afloat. To REALLY put an MBA to use in the military you'd become a contracting officer and help guys like me afford our Ferraris and orphan blood martinis.

    You want to be a STO? Clean your appointment books, clean your slate, sweep all of it off to the side and focus upon that like a laser. Forget an MBA or a language or anything that doesn't help you become a STO; Hell, anything that doesn't help you become selected to begin the STO Pipeline.

    A backup plan is great, know that a 50m target is out there, but if your goal is XXXX then work towards that, not where you want to be in 10 years. I've seen..."a few" guys like you wrap themselves around the axle with all of their plans and goals and dreams and then fail. They say it won't happen to them. They are smart, hard-working, yada, yada, yada.....but they fail because some jobs in the military require a laser, not a Lite-Brite.

    For that matter, even the not-so-elite jobs require dedication. You know how many Security Forces airmen are there because they failed out of the various Comm schools at Keesler?

    Good luck.
     
  19. Lukas Kelly

    Lukas Kelly Unverified

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    Alright then. I had been talking about it because people were questioning my back-up plan, but you have a point.
     
  20. TLDR20

    TLDR20 Nurse, former 18D Administrator

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    You are in High School kid. Go get laid, get in trouble, play sports, get laid some more, then see where your goals are after 2 more years of High School and 4 years of college. You are talking about things that are really at least 10 years away, you have no idea what you are going to be like then. You may not want it anymore in that long. Shit you may go to college and end up a liberal military hating mofo. On top of all of this, what if the military doesn't want you. Big cuts coming in the future. And you prolly aren't as awesome as you think. Your posts come across as horribly arrogant. It bothers me. Look back through the posts in this sub-forum. I am here to help but you are so scrambled up that I don't even know where to begin.
     
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