Article: The US Army is preparing to fight in Europe, but can it even get there?

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Sorry Brothers it gets better, same Writer posted this 4 hours ago. Found checking my link in an post in this thread.

You’re on your own’: US sealift can’t count on US Navy escorts in the next big war.
At the beginning of WW2 our sealift resources and our Navy were woefully inadequate. What did we end up doing? We built more ships than the enemy could sink. That's the beauty of America. When we run out of ships, tanks, planes, bullets...we just make more.
 

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I think the Chinese are worried that ethnically dissimilar provinces, like Xijiang; Tibet; yanbian; and Inner Mongolia,may strike for their independence one day.
Yes and that's why they have their colonisation program to introduce Han to the areas. These will eventually outnumber the local minority and is another reason why I don't think ethnic separatism is going to be too much of an issue for the PRC.
 

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I think the Chinese are worried that ethnically dissimilar provinces, like Xijiang; Tibet; yanbian; and Inner Mongolia,may strike for their independence one day.
Bazinga! The rulers of China, whatever their persuasion over time, have been concerned about internal disunity & this drives the PRC policy towards not only those you mention but also Hong Kong & Taiwan, which the mainland considers rebel provinces which should be brought back into the fold.
 

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Yes and that's why they have their colonisation program to introduce Han to the areas. These will eventually outnumber the local minority and is another reason why I don't think ethnic separatism is going to be too much of an issue for the PRC.
I don’t know...Russia tried that in a number of places and it didn’t work.
 

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You don’t always get to pick your battlefield. China is the bigger threat but Russia is more belligerent. Hopefully we are all wrong.
Recent events are troubling to say the least. You can love or hate Russia but you can’t ignore them.
 

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I don’t know...Russia tried that in a number of places and it didn’t work.
What it did do for them, though, is to give them a later claim to areas that they wanted to annex... like eastern Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine... if your country can afford to be patient, seeding territory you want to possess with people who look like you and speak your language could be a successful long-term strategy.
 

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What it did do for them, though, is to give them a later claim to areas that they wanted to annex... like eastern Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine... if your country can afford to be patient, seeding territory you want to possess with people who look like you and speak your language could be a successful long-term strategy.
Of course. I only meant that it didn’t keep these former Soviet republics from breaking off. Russia isn’t afraid to roll tanks over the border to impose their will on their neighbors but I think China likes to be more subtle than that.
 

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Of course. I only meant that it didn’t keep these former Soviet republics from breaking off. Russia isn’t afraid to roll tanks over the border to impose their will on their neighbors but I think China likes to be more subtle than that.
Hmmmm, the seeding over time of people to justify the ends of means... An interesting take on something I haven't thought about.
 

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I think the certain forces within the Ranger Regiment and the 82nd are supposed to deploy from home station to contingency zones within 18 hours of notification. That’s wheels up, not wheels down. The Marine Corps can often respond faster then that with a MEU because those forces are fully trained, forward deployed, and self transportable courtesy of the Navy. The DOD forward deploys other highly specialized forces that are extremely responsive but I won’t get into that here.
 

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IIRC, alert Ranger Battalion is wheels up in 18 hours and the 82nd Division Ready Brigade is wheels up in 24 hours. Maybe less for both.
 

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Weren't they supposed to be deployable in 18 hours or something like that? I don't know, you tell me.

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Reverse that

ETA: not to talk any shit on my buddies at the 82nd but I don’t think that 24 mark has ever been met. We go full retard to make our time hack and have a much smaller element moving. I can’t imagine a Brigade getting their gears turning.... again zero shit talking on my end. Those guys do some great stuff with not a lot of money behind them.
 

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Doesn't this take completely ignore the logistical support that the US would have from France and Germany?
 

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Doesn't this take completely ignore the logistical support that the US would have from France and Germany?
If war broke out in Europe, there is a high chance our allies would be too tied up in the fight or be fully combat ineffective due to loses. Help is great but at the end of the day we need to know whether or not we can do it on our own.
 

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Doesn't this take completely ignore the logistical support that the US would have from France and Germany?
At the beginning I don't think we'd have much logistical support from them. We would be the ones supplying logistical support to them across an ocean before we could mass our forces and conduct operations. As @DasBoot mentions above they would be focused on fighting the fight before they'd attempt to provide logistical support.
 

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Doesn't this take completely ignore the logistical support that the US would have from France and Germany?
Other than facilities what support would we get from Europe?
We generally provide a significant portion of our Coalition Log and Intel support. Europe rarely executes without some US assistance.
 
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