NIcaragua up in flames again. Ortega bloodbath ignored this time.

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We are great at winning wars. We suck at maintaining peace.

With regards to Nicaragua, not our monkeys, not our circus.

I (cordially disagree.:-)). What happens in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Columbia, Panama, Honduras, El Salvador, Belize, Guatemala, Mexico, etc. effects us significantly. These are all states where drug and human trafficking, Communism/Socialism, gun-running, money-laundering, the maras (M18, MS13), FARC, ELN, M19, the Mexican Cartels, the EPR, the Maoist People's Army, Chinese Triads and Snakeheads, the PRC's Ministry of State Security operate with considerable impunity. What happens in S. and Central America, if not our circus now, eventually becomes our circus.
 
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We don't fight wars like that anymore homez. Plenty of bad guys for you, but no womenz. ;-)

Send me to war in Centeral America and see how fast the demographic changes. A bunch of light haired, blue/green eyed kids running around asking every American they meet "are you my dad"...

I'm not even kidding, I have a weakness for brown women who speak Spanish. I quite laterally lose my mind, fall in love and want to marry them all..!😁
 

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'm not even kidding, I have a weakness for brown women who speak Spanish. I quite laterally lose my mind, fall in love and want to marry them all..!😁
It's an incurable curse, I've tried soul searching, talking to god, manchurian candidate style brainwashing, nothing works. It literally caused me to learn Spanish and become a honest to god fan of soccer to impress a girl.
 

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We are great at winning wars. We suck at maintaining peace.

With regards to Nicaragua, not our monkeys, not our circus.
That’s partially because that shouldn’t be our job. The people whose job it is aren’t u tot the task.
 

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This thread reminds me of my classmates in grad school who constantly asked me why "we" (as in, me, the US military) weren't "doing something" about Syria. They were stunned that I didn't want to jump on the first thing smoking to go over there and fight... whoever... and save... whoever. I told them the same thing: if you feel so strongly about it, head on over and "do something" yourself. I'm not going to feel bad about not being in a hurry to get involved in another expensive and endless political black hole. People all over the world make all kinds of noise about how their countries' problems were caused by America, but if you peel it back just a little, like we've done in this thread, you see that their issues are largely of their own making.

We can't be good at everything, everywhere, all the time and our resources aren't endless. We need to be choosy about where, and what, we commit. This last part is especially important to me, having been one of the people who got "sent," and is still in the pool of "sendees," and whose children will likely be in the next generation to go. It's not America's job to take care of "not America." We should only go in heavy in other countries when it's to our great and lasting benefit. I didn't see that with Syria and I don't see it with Nicaragua.

The World: "Amerikkka's white imperialism and colonialism are the root of literally all the world's problems. Stay out of other countries!!"
Also The World: "Why isn't America DOING SOMETHING???"

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We are peacemakers and not peacekeepers. Our elected officials are failing at their jobs, not our military.

Like I have said before, bring back the Department of War....
 

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I (cordially disagree.:-)). What happens in Nicaragua, Venezuela, Columbia, Panama, Honduras, El Salvador, Belize, Guatemala, Mexico, etc. effects us significantly. These are all states where drug and human trafficking, Communism/Socialism, gun-running, money-laundering, the maras (M18, MS13), FARC, ELN, M19, the Mexican Cartels, the EPR, the Maoist People's Army, Chinese Triads and Snakeheads, the PRC's Ministry of State Security operate with considerable impunity. What happens in S. and Central America, if not our circus now, eventually becomes our circus.
We will never be able to change anything unless we can get rid of the corruption in most of the countries you mentioned.
 

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We will never be able to change anything unless we can get rid of the corruption in most of the countries you mentioned.
Agree, and the "lesser of two evils " regime change policy ( not saying we would ever participate in that ) hasn't been effective in most cases. Corruption always seems to continue almost seamlessly.
 

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Really cool so many people read and responded to this thread. Always liked the great people on this forum like CAR (RIP), RB, and some others. Some funny tangents to address before getting back to the serious stuff.
Nicaraguan women - Yes. Many are super hot. So are Costa Rican chicks fyi. They tolerate a little cultural "mujerero" stuff too, which is a bonus.
Nicaraguan cigars - IMO best cheap cigars in world. Joyas in particular. Cubans and Cohibas might be a little better on high end, but who can afford.
Nicaraguan Rum - Flor de Caña is the best in the world

On the serious issue of helping the Nicaraguan people defend themselves against Ortega's Soviet Armed Death Squads, just checking if anyone knew of any private organizations similar to the 1980s who might care. I'm somewhat like Austin Powers when he got thawed out. With Ronald Reagan as cheer leader were lots of private orgs in 80s. For example Civilian Military Assistance, Native American Groups, SOF Magazine, also some great folks in east Texas. They are all defunct now as far as I can figure out. Singlaub 97, Robert K Brown in 80s, Ollie MIA having a money fight with Montgomery Burns or something. Was wondering if there are any private aid groups now days? This WSJ article on Syria and private aid gives some hope.

So no, I would hate to see American sons and daughters die in Nicaragua. I don't think that is necessary. But Putin, China, Iran and Hezbollah are having a field day in Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela because USA seems to have a complex about interventions that happened back in 1933. So letting Putin give 50 T72 tanks and Anti Aircraft weapons and other arms to Ortega, build a 4 story embassy to track satellites and who knows what else. Nicaraguans are being rounded up and slaughtered by Soviet weapons while US refuses to supply the innocent democracy loving people with weapons to fight back. Seems like they are pissing all over us in our back yard. Putin just has to give a few million every year to prop up these regimes because our government does absolutely nothing for fear of being called "imperialist" over 1933. Crazy if you ask me.

So up to large ex pat communities in Miami, California and Houston to come together with folks inside and in CR, Honduras, El Salvador and figure out solution to the the ISIS style slaughter. Thanks to all the folks who took the time to read!

Peregrino
 

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Who is the Ortega opposition leader? What is his or her background. Who steps in and fills the void? In a country that has been dictatorship prone and currently having a major centralizing of power, what do you think that power vacume looks like, if Ortega is overthrown via armed conflict?

Everything I've been reading is that the protest and demonstration were primarily by college kids. Is there any centralized group? They are calling for Ortega to resign and stating that want change, what does that look like, democratic elections? Who is the guy they want to bring that change?

Ortega would do well to extract what wealth he can and seek asylum somewhere a bit further south. But what would happen if he actually did that? In many cases you lose a dictator for a more aggressive dictator. Especially in that region, who is the next military leader looking to rule with a iron fist and extract wealth from the government? Because if a bunch of citizens start shooting up the place and Ortega doesn't resign, that is exactly what is likely to happen. Some General is going to claim he for the people, take out Ortega, establish normalized government under military rule, host a sham election use his now popularity to get elected and establish his new dictatorship. It will be fine for awhile, but ever so slowly, it will get worse and worse, while General President whoeverthefuck will get richer and richer...

Any of that sound familiar?


Nicaraguans should be upset and they should move to remove Ortega from power. But they should be careful how they decide to do so. Full on armed conflict is probably the worst idea right now. A trust worthy leader needs to be established and an attempt at political oppositions, before jumping in with both feet. As shown historically, a rush to civil war doesn't normally work well, and leaves countries heavily divided and politically broken. It can take half a century sometimes for things to even start to move on. That vs a few political moves and Ortega goes away and the country moves on.

As for the arming of citizens to "protect" themselves. I think the first citizen to shoot a police or military/paramilitary official, will turn the government on the people and it will turn into a real blood bath. Probably not the best move at this point.

As far as the United States are involved, I'm sure we will sanction the Ortega government, we will probably freeze some accounts and most likely send some secret squirrels down there to influence and get a ground level picture of whats going on.

But the days of conexes full of weapons and ammo being dropped off are a bit further down the road at this point.

Just my humble opinion, and the reason for many of the question, as they are unknowns to me.
 
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Long story short, all sectors young and old, country and city, creole and indian in the east, cities in the west, campesinos in north and south are in open rebellion. Vibrant democracy right accross the border in Costa Rica as a model. Piricuacos (means "mad dog", miskito indian word for Orteguistas) are going door to door all over the country killing any opposition. I don't think Russia does any deep thinking while arming and enabling Ortega's death squads in their slaughter fest. Here's a pic of their handy work from Lovago Nicaragua a few days ago.

Mod Edit - Pic removed due to subject and question as to it's accuracy.

Rah'
 
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This will make me look like a dip shit but I believe in being honest. I get a lot of pictures sent to me. Shouldn't have posted that one in the heat of the moment. I can't verify that one is accurate since got it second hand. Doesn't seem to allow me to edit and remove from the post. But plenty of real pics of innocents being killed right now if this one turns out to be not Lovago. My apologies either way. Probably why idiots like me should stay off the web.
 
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