Official Ukraine/Georgian Thread

SpitfireV

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There doesn't appear to be a warning in that Ukraine statement. Apples/oranges.
 

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Agree 100%! The problem is throwing down statements that imply consequences. What is the strategy to deal with situation? Same as Syria? How will it be addressed. I'm not implying or advocating force. I'm critiquing the approach (or lack thereof). As much as I hate to say it, he seems well out of his league.
OK, for a start I want to let it be known that I agree he's terrible. Considering it's Russia any consequences will come out of the UN, driven by the US and vetoed by Russia, ha!

One part of me wants to see the Russians have a brief war again...! I'm just curious to see what happens but maybe I'm a guy that likes to watch the world burn?
 

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Yawn....

I'll be an asshole. I don't care about the Ukraine. Not one bit. What are we going to do? Speeches? Sanctions? We might as well ban water from the ocean or denounce the color of the sky. Georgia, Chechnya...and we did what?

Why are we getting worked up over this?
 

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^ I tend to agree. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure why we're weighing in on this. Nonetheless, we are.
 

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There is an earlier video where a BMP gets ambushed with Molotav Cocktails, no one got out IIRC..
I saw that one and thought the same thing but I subsequently saw another video that looks like the same BMP, still moving, flames greatly reduced and in friendly lines.
 

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One thing that is kind of...funny about the Ukraine deal is:

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/01/219680.htm
Presidents Clinton and Yeltsin further informed Ukrainian President Kravchuk that the United States and Russia were prepared to provide security assurances to Ukraine once Ukraine acceded to the NPT and the START I Treaty entered into force.
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/up-front/posts/2014/01/14-getting-rid-nukes-trilateral-statement-20-years-pifer
The Trilateral Statement confirmed that Ukraine would eliminate all of the strategic nuclear weapons on its territory and accede to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapons state “in the shortest possible time.” In return for this, the statement provided that Kyiv receive:

•Security assurances. The United States, Russia and Britain would provide security assurances to Ukraine, such as to respect its independence and to refrain from economic coercion. Those assurances were formally conveyed in the Budapest Memorandum of Security Assurances signed in December 1994. (Curiously, Kyiv has never invoked the memorandum, not even during its dispute with Moscow over Tuzla Island in 2003 or when the Russian government applied trade sanctions in 2013 to dissuade Ukraine from signing an association agreement with the European Union.)
In the end we're not going to war with Russia over Ukraine, but I find it funny that this deal exists and no one's really talking about it.
 

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Surprise, surprise.

I love that the Russian Foreign ministry has a facebook page.

Oh the irony of this...
The United States has told Russia to show in the next few days that it is sincere about a promise not to intervene in Ukraine, saying using force would be a grave mistake.
Unconfirmed sources* have reported that Putin sent a text message to President Obama in response to the above quote, the message read
"Syria... BIOTCH! lol". The White House declined to comment.










* this maybe a figment of a certain* member's delusional imagination.







*may of may not* be me.




*it is.
 

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Ukraine is important because of the gas lines that go over it. Well, important to Europe anyway. Remember NATO?
 

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Sounds like there are Russkie boots on the ground in Kiev...

It seriously scares the shit out of me that Kerry is our Secretary of State right now....


FYI: I changed the title of this thread to avoid multiple threads on the subject as this moves more into the limelight of the news...
 
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