Official Ukraine/Georgian Thread

SpitfireV

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Sounds like there are Russkie boots on the ground in Kiev...
What's interesting is the lack of a Ukrainian response to the airports/fields so far. The people who have taken them haven't been entirely ID'd yet either, they're either militia or RF, it seems hard to tell and there's mixed messages. This is turning out very interesting.
 

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What's interesting is the lack of a Ukrainian response to the airports/fields so far. The people who have taken them haven't been entirely ID'd yet either, they're either militia or RF, it seems hard to tell and there's mixed messages. This is turning out very interesting.
You're really surprised by this? Everyone knows it's the Russkies which is exactly why the Ukrainians haven't made a move.
 

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You're really surprised by this? Everyone knows it's the Russkies which is exactly why the Ukrainians haven't made a move.
Yes but there's been nothing that I've read about, not even an encirclement.
 

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Yes but there's been nothing that I've read about, not even an encirclement.
An encirclement of what?
Crimea is Russian in everything but name. I don't understand (not that Ive looked into it) why Khrushchev handed it to Ukraine in '54, maybe some 'sorry about Stalin' crap.

This is just like they did in Afghanistan way back in '79
 

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OK silly thing to say re encirclement. Let me try and formulate some thoughts and I'll come back.
 

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@goon175 , you really need to stop posting all that provocative propaganda clearly taken from war movies and not from real events. All the MSM news media sites have headlined that Obama has told Putin "to back off Ukraine" and "there will be costs" to Russian incursions that violate Ukrainian territorial integrity.

If those videos were real, the US would act.

I'm confident that these events were caused by an intel failure or as a result of a Pussy Riot (in collaboration with Katy Perry) video.

In all seriousness, at least Biden or Hillary aren't calling the shots. Hopefully Obama is taking notes from Putin and learning how a world leader acts.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/28/krauthammer-on-ukraine-everybody-is-shocked-by-weakness-obama-statement/
 
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Ukraine is important because of the gas lines that go over it. Well, important to Europe anyway. Remember NATO?
It's just a buffer to keep Russian influence as Far East as possible. Still just a pawn on the world stage...with very hot chicks.

If a single MSG gets assigned to Kiev and leaves two years later still single, he's gay...no, I mean REALLY gay.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hot+ukrainian+women&rlz=1RMBKJA_enUS573US573&hl=en-US&espv=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&sboxchip=Images&source=univ&sa=X&ei=yO8RU5amK4n40wHuz4GgAg&ved=0CDIQ7Ak&biw=1024&bih=672
 

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Crimea is Russian in everything but name. I don't understand (not that Ive looked into it) why Khrushchev handed it to Ukraine in '54, maybe some 'sorry about Stalin' crap.
A pretty decent history:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point

http://english.pravda.ru/history/19-02-2009/107129-ussr_crimea_ukraine-0/

Khruschev had strong ties to the Ukraine and that factored heavily into his decision. Both articles are relatively short.
 

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A pretty decent history:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point

http://english.pravda.ru/history/19-02-2009/107129-ussr_crimea_ukraine-0/

Khruschev had strong ties to the Ukraine and that factored heavily into his decision. Both articles are relatively short.
Thanks for that, yeah makes sense.

This quote is the most important from those two articles to me...

The Supreme Council of Russia ruled in 1992 that the Crimean region had been delivered to Ukraine illegitimately.

Now the region is called the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
I wouldn't mind betting that when this is all said and done, that Crimea will be Russian again.
 

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I merged Ukrainian related posts from another thread. We'll press with this thread for our Ukraine discussion.
 

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Awe, c'mon. What's another billion dollars? The President already pledged $7 billion to Africa after giving Karzai billions.

ETA: Or was it trillions once you include Pakistan?
A timely correction. :-)
 
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