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@Arf What would you say is a good goal to strive for for treading? An hour? With hands or without?

Building the Endurance to Run Fast after Swimming?

I’ve been getting a lot of questions regarding treading from not only SWCC hopefuls, but SEAL / MARSOC Raider / Recon / ParaRescue PJ / Combat Controller CTT / Special Reconnaissance SR / Special Operations Weather Technician SOWT / Navy EOD / Diver / Special Amphibious Reconnaissance Corpsman SARC / Combat Diver hopefuls. (Intentionally obnoxious for keyword search function.) Let me know if I forgot other Combat Swimmers so I can add it to the list.

Egg beater Treading is a difficult skill to learn, but it’s all about muscle memory. Once you get the movement down you need to keep practicing until you can do it without thinking about it. If you are holding a weight, you will revert to whatever you practice the most, because I promise you, it will be sheer terror and panic.
If you can’t get in the pool, I firmly believe laying on your back and going through the motions, or even sitting on the edge of a chair is a good way to practice. Similar to dry firing a gun. You have to practice it enough for it to be second nature.

As I said before, this skill takes a long time to
learn, but keep practicing and I promise you it gets better with time. When I first started playing waterpolo, I couldn’t tread water for longer than 60 seconds. Now I can tread water with both hands out of the water for literally hours.

You might feel initially more comfortable trying to do the breaststroke kick to tread just because both legs move simultaneously, but I promise you it is not nearly as efficient, and when you are treading with weight, you will drown.
Learn the egg beater tread, guys. There is a reason all water polo players tread with the egg beater. I promise you there is no better way.

Once you get this down, a decent workout that I still like to do is 20 seconds hands out of the water, then 20 seconds lock your arms straight up above your head and keep the water at your arm pits (at the very least your elbows out of the water). Do this for 5 minutes back to back without putting your hands in the water. If you can do this and keep your clavicle at the water line the whole time you will do alright at the tread tests.




Here is another thread that links to various swimming questions I have answered.

.*** Looking for advice (swimming and tattoos)
 
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I watched this in it’s entirety today, and this is the best up to date interview I have ever heard. He covers training starting at Basic Crewman Selection (BCS), preparation and lifestyle.

I considered adding it to this thread

.*** SWCC Lifestyle Questions

But I feel like this is more centered around preparation.


Also, I’m extremely pleased to see that www.sealswcc.com is finally updated. I think the best portion may actually be the “faq” section where they answer a lot of questions that I receive here from hopefuls.

The only thing I saw that I think needs to be edited is the claim that SEAL’s hell week is 5.5 days. It’s actually 4.5 days. It starts on Sunday around 9pm and completes on Friday around 10am.

Also, when I went through Basic Crewman Training (BCT) it was mostly small arms and heavy weapons training on land with combat medicine, engineering and land mobility training. We didn’t do anything on boats in the water during BCT. That could have changed recently though.
 
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HI, SWCC hopeful here.
From Intro (Not so breif). Moving the few questions to a more appropriate place. Looks like this thread should do the trick.


"My recruiter and Navy SO mentor told me that I should pick a placeholder rate that I want as I will be sent back to this rate in the event of failure. This is in direct opposition to what I’ve read. Should I just pick one with the longest DEP window?

Should I incorporate rucking into my training? I'm currently not. Where do I need to be?

How much emphasis should I put on hypoxic training? (not necessarily talking about underwater swims) In the pool?(freestyle breath holding pyramids) I'd say i'm relatively comfortable in the water, but I still fear underwater evolutions. Hearing Arf talk about folks passing out makes me feel a little squeamish, I definitely want to be on the right side of the statistics curve on that one. "
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My recruiter and Navy SO mentor told me that I should pick a placeholder rate that I want as I will be sent back to this rate in the event of failure.


You won’t be sent back to that rate. When you earn a SWCC contract, the arbitrary rate will completely cease to exist. If you fail during the pipeline you will have to pick a completely new rate that is available due to the needs of the Navy. I think they are saying this to you in case you fail your PST forever.
I highly suggest picking a rate according to whatever provides you with the farthest possible ship out date to give you the most time possible to earn a SWCC contract.
I just spoke with my old recruiter this morning and he confirmed this.


Should I incorporate rucking into my training? I'm currently not. Where do I need to be?

You will be rucking a lot but in the SWCC pipeline it is not a pass/fail evolution. I would focus on running. Focus on your 1.5 mile until you get it around 9 minutes, then shift focus to a 3 mile. Those are the timed runs.
You will be rucking and running many many many miles, but the only thing that will get you dropped is failing a 1.5 or 3 mile.

How much emphasis should I put on hypoxic training? (not necessarily talking about underwater swims) In the pool?(freestyle breath holding pyramids) I'd say i'm relatively comfortable in the water, but I still fear underwater evolutions. Hearing Arf talk about folks passing out makes me feel a little squeamish, I definitely want to be on the right side of the statistics curve on that one.

You can do freestyle sets in the pool where you breathe every 5 Strokes. That will help in general. The best thing to do is honestly lay in bed at night and practice your breath holding there. I do not want you practicing extreme breath holding by yourself in the water. You may not think you’ll pass out but if you do, no one will be there to pull you out and bring you back.

Lay in bed, hold your breath. Get a piece of line/rope and practice tying the BOWLINE, SQUARE KNOT, BECKET’S BEND, CLOVE HITCH, and DOUBLE ANGLE knots while you hold your breath. You can flutter kick your legs in bed to help burn more oxygen. Do not, DO NOT practice breath holds in the pool.
 

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Lay in bed, hold your breath. Get a piece of line/rope and practice tying the BOWLINE, SQUARE KNOT, BECKET’S BEND, CLOVE HITCH, and DOUBLE ANGLE knots while you hold your breath. You can flutter kick your legs in bed to help burn more oxygen. Do not, DO NOT practice breath holds in the pool.

You mean there are safe ways to train? Man, that doesn't sound cool, it should be Xtreme. Like, knot tying, flutter kicks, being waterboarded by drunken frat boys Xtreme. That's how you forge a MAN capable of passing selection courses.
 

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You mean there are safe ways to train? Man, that doesn't sound cool, it should be Xtreme. Like, knot tying, flutter kicks, being waterboarded by drunken frat boys Xtreme. That's how you forge a MAN capable of passing selection courses.
Listen to what Goggins says to do... then do the opposite.
 
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