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Come on now, "an ethnic cleansing of a people?". That's quite a stretch and a bit out of context.
Bro. Do you think I came up with this on my own?

Syrian Kurds fear 'ethnic cleansing' after US troop pullout announcement

Netanyahu warns against Turkey's ethnic cleansing of 'gallant Kurds'; vows to assist

Remember the Armenian genocide? At the hands of Turkey?

That places this in the ‘definitely not a stretch because Turkey commits genocide’ and ‘in context because smarts people than you and I are calling that ball.’
 

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Bro. Do you think I came up with this on my own?

Syrian Kurds fear 'ethnic cleansing' after US troop pullout announcement

Netanyahu warns against Turkey's ethnic cleansing of 'gallant Kurds'; vows to assist

Remember the Armenian genocide? At the hands of Turkey?

That places this in the ‘definitely not a stretch because Turkey commits genocide’ and ‘in context because smarts people than you and I are calling that ball.’
I guess if you consider Netanyahu smarter than you and I...

I'm saying Turkey hasn't committed to wiping out all the Kurdish people from Earth, which would be an ethnic cleansing to include the Kurds in Iraq. Right now they have committed to clearing the border of their country which is controlled by the SDF/YPG/PKK.

As Americans we tend to jump the gun quite a bit just to bitch and forget a week later. So playing devils advocate what if we supported a terrorist organization (YPG) to kill another terrorist organization (ISIS), do we just continue those goals? Support the organization and empower them to attack civilians in a country.

Like you said smarter individuals than you and I make those decisions, if it leads to genocide I'm sure we will be back in country within a few months.

Note: Not saying YPG is or isn't a terrorist organization, just giving a what if scenario.
 

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Add that to the fact that not too long ago, the Turks shot down a Russian SU-24 over an "accidental" excursion that lasted less than a minute.
I have the raw radar data from the exchange and watched it several times. The Russian repeatedly busted Turkish airspace, his orbit took him across the border, before the Turks engaged. They fired a missle over Turkey that shot him down over Syria. The Turks never violated Syrian airspace.

Come on now, "an ethnic cleansing of a people?". That's quite a stretch and a bit out of context. I don't remember seeing that Turkey is attacking the kurds based off their ethnicity.
Actually, that's exactly what they are doing and have done for years. Turkey, Iran, and Iraq see the Kurds as a threat and would gladly kill every last one of them because the Kurds want a land of their own...for the Kurds and the Kurds only.
 

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Actually, that's exactly what they are doing and have done for years. Turkey, Iran, and Iraq see the Kurds as a threat and would gladly kill every last one of them because the Kurds want a land of their own...for the Kurds and the Kurds only.
I fully understand and agree that quite a few ME countries hate the Kurds for the Kurdish people want to take land away from those countries to establish their own country. But I wouldn't consider attacking the Kurds an ethnic cleansing by the Turks.

If that was the case we've been doing ethnic cleansing for some time and I dont believe that to be the case either. It's war and politics. The cycle will continue forever.
 

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I fully understand and agree that quite a few ME countries hate the Kurds for the Kurdish people want to take land away from those countries to establish their own country. But I wouldn't consider attacking the Kurds an ethnic cleansing by the Turks.

If that was the case we've been doing ethnic cleansing for some time and I dont believe that to be the case either. It's war and politics. The cycle will continue forever.
I think we're looking at the same problem but from different angles. With that said, if the Turkish army starts intentionally killing civilians then I see no other choice but to call it genocide.
 

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I think we're looking at the same problem but from different angles. With that said, if the Turkish army starts intentionally killing civilians then I see no other choice but to call it genocide.
Agreed. Unfortunately I can't predict if we would actually get involved again...especially getting closer to election time.
 

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“Oops”.

Turkey was quoted as saying, ‘Seriously guys, our bad.’
Which is pure madness given the BMC2 assets at our disposal. My opinion is that this was intentional, because there's no way...no fucking way our C2 assets wouldn't have warned them off. We have too many controls in place, too many sensors, too many radios for this to happen as an "accident."
 

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Which is pure madness given the BMC2 assets at our disposal. My opinion is that this was intentional, because there's no way...no fucking way our C2 assets wouldn't have warned them off. We have too many controls in place, too many sensors, too many radios for this to happen as an "accident."
Yeah no shit. But our ‘ally’ turkey had only been shackled by the fact that we admitted to having troops there. 50 troops on the ground stopped Turkey from doing this in the past.

This ‘dartboard foreign policy decision’ to pull everyone out opened the door to the murder of civilians AND putting our own troops in danger.

And if you think that wasn’t a measured and manipulated move- waiting for the announcement from our president saying we were leaving and then ‘accidentally’ hitting our troops- by Turkey I have a bridge for you.

Well, at least I get to watch the ‘total and complete destruction of Turkey via sanctions by our ‘very stable genius’ who’s wisdom can’t be matched.

I’ll hold my breath.
 

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Might be a stunt, assuming it was intentional. Trump's withdrawal order was the prerequisite for Erdoğan's "Safe Zone", so that in itself was quite a political victory. If the U.S. were not willing to back off in that area I doubt he would have ever green lit that operation. So, since it's factualy sealed that U.S. forces will abandon their positions at the border and not engage or stand in their way, he might as well act tough and signal / force U.S. forces to bugger out, as long as nobody gets hurt. That will only strenghten his image in Turkey as strong leader. Especialy for the dreamy ultranationalists who wished the "Ottoman Empire" was restored. I think standing up to the most powerful country and see them give way is not a minor political victory.
 
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Especialy internaly. So I can see them push their luck a bit further in the future.
 

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Spitballing, we could cut foreign aid and refugee assistance to Turkey, let them deal with their own mess (especially in pro Edrogan areas). We also need to find a way to burn Edrogan's associates, ban them from doing business in the US, and target the foreign assets of his political supporters.

This whole business of treating Turkey and Islam with kid gloves needs to stop.
 

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Which is pure madness given the BMC2 assets at our disposal. My opinion is that this was intentional, because there's no way...no fucking way our C2 assets wouldn't have warned them off. We have too many controls in place, too many sensors, too many radios for this to happen as an "accident."

This may be a dumb question, but is Turkey, as a NATO member, integrated into the BMC2 system? I mean, with all the various players conducting tactical operations in the region, isn't BMC2 supposed to coordinate much of that activity?

And if so, shouldn't they have known where our people were?
 
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This may be a dumb question, but is Turkey, as a NATO member, integrated into the BMC2 system? I mean, with all the various players conducting tactical operations in the region, isn't BMC2 supposed to coordinate much of that activity?

And if so, shouldn't they have known where our people were?
Yes they are and yes they knew. They were just flexing nuts.
 
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