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Ultra Marathons & Selections

Mr Gray

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Do you guys think that training for & running ultramarathons (like 15-24 hr duration) would be good mental/physical training for SOF selections that have you going on minimal rest? This is of course without neglecting PT or if the selection involves swimming.
 

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Have you seen ultramarathoners? Those people probably aren't moving too fast, or very far, with a heavy ruck on their backs. Selections punish specialists and reward versatility. You gotta be able to do more than run for a long time with no weight.
 
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I’m pretty sure if you can run 100 miles, you can move well with 45 lbs and water. If your training for an ultra involves upper body work with some grip strength it would do just fine.

This is just speaking for SFAS though. Later in the course you would need more strength, but I never thought carrying a ruck took more than CV endurance, tough feet, and a bit of intestinal fortitude.

I think to some extent guys overtrain. If you are in decent shape, go through basic, airborne, and SOPC/RASP/whatever, and push hard, you will be fine in any section course the Army has. It is much more about what’s in your head, and if you have it up there to run 100 miles, you probably have what it takes to ruck for a few weeks and do hard PT.
 

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Agreed on the mental aspect. I think a certain amount of strength goes a long way in rucking, and in staying injury free as well. I can't speak for SFAS, but the TACP pipeline has changed to where strength plays a bigger factor. It's no longer just run, ruck, cals.

For the OP, something like the CrossFit Endurance programming may work well for you, if ultra distance running is something you're interested in, but still want to make sure you're training other aspects of fitness.
 

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Thank you guys for the feedback. I was mostly thinking for the mental callousing aspect too I guess. In terms of weekly training for something like PJ Indoc I had in mind something like this

Mon: AM Gym (full body) PM Track intervals
Tue: AM Swim. PM Easy 6-8 mile run
Wed: AM Gym (full body) PM Ruck (Uphill intervals w/water jugs)
Thu: AM Swim
Fri: 3-4 hrs Long Run
Sat: 2-3 hrs Swim + Cals + Heavy Ruck (on flat to rolling roads)

This would just be a type of "endurance base phase" leading up to something more swim/strength/ruck intensive 2 months prior the shipping.
 
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Thank you guys for the feedback. I was mostly thinking for the mental callousing aspect too I guess. In terms of weekly training for something like PJ Indoc I had in mind something like this

Mon: AM Gym (full body) PM Track intervals
Tue: AM Swim. PM Easy 6-8 mile run
Wed: AM Gym (full body) PM Ruck (Uphill intervals w/water jugs)
Thu: AM Swim
Fri: 3-4 hrs Long Run
Sat: 2-3 hrs Swim + Cals + Heavy Ruck (on flat to rolling roads)

This would just be a type of "endurance base phase" leading up to something more swim/strength/ruck intensive 2 months prior the shipping.
I think if you are doing all that, you probably are good. If you can swim for 2-3 hours straight, you are a machine already and your mental toughness probably isn’t an issue.
 

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I think if you are doing all that, you probably are good. If you can swim for 2-3 hours straight, you are a machine already and your mental toughness probably isn’t an issue.
Hell I sure can't! [yet] I meant 2-3 hours for the whole training sessions involving those 3 things
 

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Unless that is a pic of you, this is kind of a dick response in a thread where you are asking for help.

To add - @CDG posted his response as I was typing. I’ll leave it though, because.
Wasn't aiming to be a dick. I apologize if that came off that way.
 

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Sure. There are exceptions to everything. If you have those genetics, then ignore the point I raised and go forth to conquer the dragon, or whatever.
I certainly don't look like that stud, but I don't have skinny-fat genetics like a lot of runners. I've never looked at crossfit endurance but I'll check it out for sure. Thanks for your input.