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I considered it but for the prices they’re asking for some GI’s ragged-out WWII rifle I’d rather build my own AR and put some nice glass on it. Or like a half-dozen SKSs.
History is priceless. I’m going to wait until I get a CCW from GA but I’ll do it.

oh, ARs (and hammers) kill people Sir.
 

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I considered it but for the prices they’re asking for some GI’s ragged-out WWII rifle I’d rather build my own AR and put some nice glass on it. Or like a half-dozen SKSs.
The M1 is a cool rifle, but it's not a great rifle IMHO, the caliber is all messed up, due to inflexible, stuck in the past leaders back in the day. It along with the British EM-2, FN FAL and the M1 were all supposed to be intermediate cartridges, but dickheads in the US Army screwed it up and put us 20 years behind the commies (and Nazis).
The best M1 I've ever used was a 7.62x51mm. Super accurate and fun to shoot.
 

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The M1 is a cool rifle, but it's not a great rifle IMHO, the caliber is all messed up, due to inflexible, stuck in the past leaders back in the day. It along with the British EM-2, FN FAL and the M1 were all supposed to be intermediate cartridges, but dickheads in the US Army screwed it up and put us 20 years behind the commies (and Nazis).
The best M1 I've ever used was a 7.62x51mm. Super accurate and fun to shoot.
new phone...who dis?;-)
 

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The M1 is a cool rifle, but it's not a great rifle IMHO, the caliber is all messed up, due to inflexible, stuck in the past leaders back in the day. It along with the British EM-2, FN FAL and the M1 were all supposed to be intermediate cartridges, but dickheads in the US Army screwed it up and put us 20 years behind the commies (and Nazis).
The best M1 I've ever used was a 7.62x51mm. Super accurate and fun to shoot.
The only M1 I've ever fired was yours. I like it for the history, its heft, and its hitting power. I also like it because it takes a clip not a detachable mag, which makes it legal in most of the ultra-liberal states I find myself living in.

That pricetag tho...
 

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Gun control-wise, I dont think the M1-Garand it is any safer than the blackest-most-plasticy AR15 once the liberals get control of the government. It is a semiautomatic with a bayonet lug. That 8-round en-bloc clip may as well be a 100 round belt because it will get lumped in as a military assault rifle and blacklisted along with everything else.

The M1 is a fun rifle to shoot when you are just dabbling in local level CMP style match and want to make new friends but they will take a big bite out of your gun budget if you are looking for a match grade M1.
 

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Supreme Court Rules Newtown Shooting Victims Can Sue Remington

On Tuesday, the Supreme Court rejected a Hail Mary appeal from Remington Arms, which was founded over 200 years ago and claims to be the oldest gun manufacturer in the U.S. The gunmaker had asked the high court to hear its case after the Connecticut Supreme Court greenlit a lawsuit to hold the company accountable for the massacre that left 20 young children and six adults dead in Newtown, Connecticut.


Well, this just opened up a whole new can of worms. A nasty, funky crappy can of worms. I was always under the impression that there were some on the bench with a modicum of common sense and intelligence, who would stay true to the constitution. As it stands now, I'm sure everyone in the gun industry, including Remington, are wondering how soon before they're out of business.


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It's enlightening how people who have spent very long times interpreting the law (please read this as a rejection of the notion of "one true constitutional interpretation) lack intelligence when they don't end up with the same legal analysis as non-lawyers.

The legal question is: The Connecticut Supreme Court below held that the PLCAA’s predicate exception encompasses all general statutes merely capable of being applied to firearms sales or marketing. In contrast, both the Second and Ninth Circuits have rejected this broad interpretation of the predicate exception, which would swallow the PLCAA’s immunity rule. City of New York v. Beretta U.S.A. Corp., 524 F.3d 384, 402-403 (2d Cir. 2008); Ileto, 565 F.3d at 1134, 1136. And the Ninth Circuit interpreted the predicate exception even more narrowly than the Second Circuit. See ibid.
The question presented is whether the PLCAA’s predicate exception encompasses alleged violations of broad, generally applicable state statutes, such as the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act, which forbids “unfair methods of competition and unfair or deceptive acts or practices in the conduct of any trade or commerce.” Conn. Gen. Stat. § 42-110b(a).

Moreover, Conn. is fighting this as a State's rights issue if I read this correctly:
"Such use of the XM15-E2S, or any weapon for that matter, would be illegal, and Connecticut law does not permit advertisements that promote or encourage violent, criminal behavior. Following a scrupulous review of the text and legislative history of PLCAA, we also conclude that Congress has not clearly manifested an intent to extinguish the traditional authority of our legislature and our courts to protect the people of Connecticut from the pernicious practices alleged in the present case".

Docket for 19-168
Minus the opening jab at barracks lawyers, I've read this four times and still don't understand your post.
 

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Feels like we're living in a clown world, the useful idiots have co-opted the judicial system against us and common sense. Meanwhile, the kids in HK are literally using bows and arrows to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

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Thanks ^^^ ;-)

SCOTUS has tossed the hot potato back to CT where emotions still run high, as you'd expect, even years after the horrific event. Adam Lanza robbed people of their chance for revenge so retribution has to take another form, even if it's based on various technicalities. I have a feeling they will get their pound of flesh from Remington in the end.

Considering Lanza's reported obsession with Call of Duty and other violent video games, I'm surprised they haven't gone after Activision and others. Maybe that's the next step.
 
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Going after the video game manufacturer only concedes what some folks have said all along - so dont expect anti-gun activists to put their efforts into going after violent video games - because anti-gunners have already said video games dont cause violence
-guns cause violence

This is the left we are dealing with - the science is settled
 

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As our esteemed colleague from 3/75 has noted, this appears to be about emotions and there is all kinds a spin related to SCOTUS‘ denial to review. That’s it. The Court simply indicated the issue is either “not ripe yet” or there isn’t a national issue (yet).

I had to go through two pages of Google to find a conservative viewpoint (that in itself is...interesting).

The lawsuit against Remington alleges that the company’s marketing practices contributed to the Sandy Hook massacre. “Remington may never have known Adam Lanza, but they had been courting him for years,” a lawyer for the plaintiffs said. But it is not clear that Remington courted Lanza at all — and it is quite clear that the company never courted him successfully, inasmuch as he stole the Bushmaster rifle he used in the crimes from his mother, whom he murdered. Connecticut has a law against “unfair trade practices,” which is a very odd way of looking at a mass murder.
From the State ruling:

The gravamen of the plaintiffs’ complaint was that the defendants negligently entrusted to civilian consumers an assault rifle that is suitable for use only by military and law enforcement personnel and violated the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act (CUTPA) (§ 42–110a et seq.) through the sale or wrongful marketing of the rifle. The plaintiffs’ first theory of liability was that the rifle is a military grade weapon that is grossly ill-suited for legitimate civilian purposes such as self-defense or recreation, that the rifle and other similar semiautomatic weapons have become the weapon of choice for mass shootings and, therefore, that the risks associated with selling the rifle to the civilian market far outweigh any potential benefits, that the defendants continued to sell the rifle despite their knowledge of these facts, and that it therefore was negligent and an unfair trade practice under CUTPA for the defendants to sell the weapon, knowing that it eventually would be purchased by a civilian customer who might share it with other civilian users.
The Bogus Lawsuit against Remington | National Review

Personally, I think Thomas and Kavanaugh are eager to solidify Heller precedent of “in common use“ as well as what limits are placed on the right of self defense (inside the home has been resolved but anywhere else?). The case against Remington seems to target SEMIAUTOMATIC weapons vice a company and Remington is merely the target because they made the weapon used by psycho. If psycho highjacked a bus full of elementary students and drove it off a cliff, I doubt they would sue Blue Bird.
 
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