- Dec 4, 2018
Is that new or am I that removed? When I was in it was flexed hang, not push-ups. 70sec being a max score.
That means there's still good reason to perfect the pullup. Marines will only get a max of 70 points on the upper-body strength event if they choose pushups. And to hit 100 points, Marines will need to do more pullups than previously required.
Men in the 21-25 age group will need to complete 23 pullups for a max score under the new rules. The max drops as low as 18 for male Marines over the age of 51. Women between 26 and 30 will need 10 pullups for a max score. That requirement drops to eight pullups though age 40, and bottoms out at three when women hit age 51.
If Marines choose pushups, the best they can score is a 70. Men between the ages of 21 and 25 will need 87 pushups to earn max points. Marine women aged 26-30 would need 50 pushups to get the maximum 70 points. In comparison, soldiers need between 71 and 77 for a max score of 100 points on the Army's fitness test.
In my circles, I've heard the ACFT is all about training. You train everyday for it, you crush it. You don't, you fail.
Personally, I haven't heard any of "all the females" or "only the females" are xyz, related to the new PT test IRL, but I'm not saying someone, somewhere, isn't bemoaning shitbag females, for good reason. It just hasn't been my experience in casual conversation.
it's been more, "whats the training program for the leg tuck (or whatever they're called). Send it." from males and females.
While my scenario won't speak to every PT failure...human beings are lazy and when confronted with their own failures will seek to shift the blame. How many men and women were coddled over the last 30+ years with the APFT and age and gender-specific benchmarks? Along comes a new test, a person approaches it with the same "I'll start to run/ push/ sit a month before the test and I'm good" mentality then finds out that's no longer a thing. Male, female...doesn't matter.
I 100% agree that training is what matters here, that's the road to success, but some won't be able to pass no matter how much they train. Some will find themselves devoting more time than they want, some will flat out go permanent profile until they can ETS. There will be whinging, lots and lots of whinging.
I think one thing we've lost sight of through this is the old APFT was around in the 80's. 20 years of war in some absolutely brutal environments showed us that the old standards aren't good enough. There's no way to find the best thing for everyone, the mission, whatever requirements you want (strength, endurance, flexibility, etc.) without controversy. Every bro-tein chugging Crossfitter, bodybuilder, triathlete, gym rat, etc. will have an opinion. Scientists, professionals will have an opinion. Generals will have an opinion and not care about the other groups.
It's a shit show and no one should be upset or surprised.
I look forward to the Army caving, reducing the requirements, and then announcing "further research showed that the old standards were unnecessary" blah, blah. It will be plain as day what happened, the internet will gnash digital teeth, and nothing will change except your blood pressure.