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Retired Green Beret Contractor killed in alleged fratricide
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At first I felt the same as you. But, I see how out front in the public eye and limelight. All of the units that way back when nobody had ever even heard of. Until the drawdown of conventional forces and, the massive recruitment for "operators" in the SOF community. So there was more than likely a relaxing of a few of the standards. Simple statistics will bear out. That the more eggs in a basket. The higher the percentage of bad eggs you will have, regardless of the inspection standard. Unless each and every one is closely examined. The physical and mental/psyche standard we had to meet in the unit I was in were tighter than a gnats ass. With constant monitoring for deficiencies. But, we were dealing in environments where fuckery of any sort was swiftly addressed. Because you ain't playing grabass and fuck yer buddy in places where the enemy is a bug or a neutron or sarin!
That could be part of it. I still think a lot has to do with the down-sizing of combat operations, fewer deployment opportunities and less action during deployments.
Most of the NCOs in my company at Lejeune were jungle rats with Purple Hearts and CARs...very difficult adjusting to garrison life knowing there was little chance of combat action. It can be like withdrawal.
Although I could be entirely wrong in these recent cases. I just know fighters gotta fight.
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Read about this early in today. Sucks that this keeps happening
I concur with you on your conclusion. I bear many scars.
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Two Marine Raiders and corpsman face manslaughter charges in retired Green Beret master sergeant’s death
“At this time, charges against three members of MARSOC in connection with the death of Mr. Rodriguez have been referred to a general court-martial,” according to a Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command email statement. “During this process, it is imperative that the rights of the service members are protected, and the integrity of the military justice system is maintained. We are committed to ensuring this process is conducted in a fair and impartial manner.”
Two Marine Raiders and corpsman face manslaughter charges in retired Green Beret master sergeant’s death
“At this time, charges against three members of MARSOC in connection with the death of Mr. Rodriguez have been referred to a general court-martial,” according to a Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command email statement. “During this process, it is imperative that the rights of the service members are protected, and the integrity of the military justice system is maintained. We are committed to ensuring this process is conducted in a fair and impartial manner.”
So what's accurate? Does the video show them monkey stomping the retire SF MSG, or does the video show the MSG picking a fight and getting ejected from the bar?
What was the initial confrontation about?
I've never been in an interservice bar fight. I mean what better reason could there be for a bar fight. "Your uniform is ghey." Ok let's fight.WTF!!! Been in my share of interservice bar fights, who hasn't. But, I never thought I would see the day. That I would read about something like this. It's fucking disgusting and, all responsible should have their bowels loosed to the floor!
Here is a key passage that puts this story in a different, while still tragic light
“Based on what was shared at the September hearing, witnesses made statements and video evidence showed that Rodriguez [SF] and other defense contractors were celebrating the new year in the off-base nightclub....Later that night, security camera footage appeared to show Rodriguez visibly angry and shouting at Gilmet [Corpsman].
Rodriguez was escorted from the club by security, Stackhouse said, where he and his colleagues waited outside.
Outside of the club, Draher told the court in a statement, he, Negron and Gilmet approached Rodriguez to resolve the argument.
Draher allegedly walks up to Rodriguez, who lunges at him, Draher said he thought that Rodriguez was going to head-butt him so he shoved him back with one hand to the chest.
That’s when Rodriguez makes a wide swing at Draher, Stackhouse said. It’s not clear whether the swing struck Draher, but Rodriguez then cocked back to swing again at Draher. Mid-swing, Negron stepped in and punched Rodriguez once, knocking him to the ground.”
Looks like these fellas were drinking, apparently the contractor swung at one of the Raiders, and one of the Marines responded with a single punch. The video evidence will tell that tale. That’s a different story than I imagined when I first heard about this. It doesn’t seem that anyone acted with intentional malice here. I suspect these men will burn for breaking the no-alcohol policy, which I assume was in place still, and maybe a curfew violation. I’m not sure they should be charged with manslaughter if the video supports a self defense argument and they didn’t respond disproportionately.
“Based on what was shared at the September hearing, witnesses made statements and video evidence showed that Rodriguez [SF] and other defense contractors were celebrating the new year in the off-base nightclub....Later that night, security camera footage appeared to show Rodriguez visibly angry and shouting at Gilmet [Corpsman].
Rodriguez was escorted from the club by security, Stackhouse said, where he and his colleagues waited outside.
Outside of the club, Draher told the court in a statement, he, Negron and Gilmet approached Rodriguez to resolve the argument.
Draher allegedly walks up to Rodriguez, who lunges at him, Draher said he thought that Rodriguez was going to head-butt him so he shoved him back with one hand to the chest.
That’s when Rodriguez makes a wide swing at Draher, Stackhouse said. It’s not clear whether the swing struck Draher, but Rodriguez then cocked back to swing again at Draher. Mid-swing, Negron stepped in and punched Rodriguez once, knocking him to the ground.”
Looks like these fellas were drinking, apparently the contractor swung at one of the Raiders, and one of the Marines responded with a single punch. The video evidence will tell that tale. That’s a different story than I imagined when I first heard about this. It doesn’t seem that anyone acted with intentional malice here. I suspect these men will burn for breaking the no-alcohol policy, which I assume was in place still, and maybe a curfew violation. I’m not sure they should be charged with manslaughter if the video supports a self defense argument and they didn’t respond disproportionately.
Rodriguez died hours after being punched once. That alone opens up reasonable doubt. Still, to see active and former SF/SOF staff NCOs getting caught up in juvenile bullshit like this...but in fairness, I'm one to talk. With enough alcohol even the Pope could get in a bar fight.
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I gotta think bar security for a place that has current and former SOF getting hammered every night, is probably more than just some random dude with a black tshirt.
I dunno, I have to wonder about what kind of friends this guy has. Why did they ditch them? They did say the 18D equivalent corpsman did check him out before leaving with the roommate. I think the roommate should have immediately taken him to medical as well. Multiple levels of failure here
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Injured guy was drunk. Bet the others were also drunk and made some rather poor decisions as a result.
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These clowns are the reason we have to have things like GO #1. Idiots who can’t handle their shit.
Hmm, so I looked it up on the Wing's website. In Bagram and Kandahar, the Wings had a GO-1 link on their respective homepages. Here outside of shooty places, they do not. I had to do some digging to find it on the Wing's page.
Except from the Wing Community Standards:
Per GO-1C, alcohol is prohibited in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. Security Cooperation Offices can allow a waiver for personnel assigned to an SCO to possess and consume alcohol.
Unless those guys fell under an SCO, they are dicked on the alcohol charge. For those of us outside of the aforementioned countries, we're G2G to consume alcohol provided we don't show up for work drunk, DUI, etc.
And GO-1C is dated from 2013.
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