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I was given a book- "Force Recon Command"- by a friend recently. For anyone looking to get some more info on Recon Marines in Vietnam, it's worth picking up. A character who really stuck out for me was Col. Clovis "Buck" Coffman, a mustang who saw combat in both Korea and Vietnam, receiving a battlefield commission in the mid 60's after reaching the rank of Gunnery Sergeant. I did a bit of research on the Colonel, and was amazed at his list of awards- 7 Purple Hearts, 5 BSM w/V, 3 SS and a Navy Cross awarded by LBJ himself. By all accounts, the man was an animal and a great American.
What struck me is that, while he stands out amongst his peers with the decorations he earned, there were still a number other servicemen who were as highly decorated as he was- some even more so (Col. Bob Howard, Lt. Thomas Norris, Maj. Dick Meadows all come to mind).
My question is, why are there not more men like this coming out of the GWOT? Why the major disparity between the awards being issued today and those of past conflicts? One common fact brought up is the number of MOHs awarded in the past 12 years (11) compared to Vietnam (248).
Looking through other major value awards, you'll see the difference in awards goes beyond just the MOH. Go through the Military Times Hall of Valor or any number of books based on the experiences of men in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, and you'll find dozens of troops who were awarded multiple Silver Stars and BSMs w/V, sometimes even more than one DSC/NC/AFC. From what I've been able to gather, there have been no multiple awards of the various Crosses and only a handful of second awards for the Silver Star (5, all of them in SOF, as far I've been able to gather with the info available).
After more than a decade at war, I'm surprised by this seeming disparity between the awards system of today and days past. Is this due to the system being broken? It would be easy to just say that "the wars aren't as intense as Vietnam/Europe/Korea" but between the initial Invasion to the Battles of Fallujah and the Korengal Valley, I think it's safe to say you all have had it just as rough as those who came before you.
Do you think the system can be fixed? Do you think there will be more highly decorated guys/gals emerging in the coming years as the services catch up? Every few months, we get stories about a WWII vet finally being awarded a Silver Star decades later, so I'm sure such things will continue into the future.
I know we have had this discussion before (great thread here https://shadowspear.com/vb/threads/our-broken-awards-system.5507/page-2), but I was curious to hear what some of you have to say regarding the topic.
What struck me is that, while he stands out amongst his peers with the decorations he earned, there were still a number other servicemen who were as highly decorated as he was- some even more so (Col. Bob Howard, Lt. Thomas Norris, Maj. Dick Meadows all come to mind).
My question is, why are there not more men like this coming out of the GWOT? Why the major disparity between the awards being issued today and those of past conflicts? One common fact brought up is the number of MOHs awarded in the past 12 years (11) compared to Vietnam (248).
Looking through other major value awards, you'll see the difference in awards goes beyond just the MOH. Go through the Military Times Hall of Valor or any number of books based on the experiences of men in WWII, Korea and Vietnam, and you'll find dozens of troops who were awarded multiple Silver Stars and BSMs w/V, sometimes even more than one DSC/NC/AFC. From what I've been able to gather, there have been no multiple awards of the various Crosses and only a handful of second awards for the Silver Star (5, all of them in SOF, as far I've been able to gather with the info available).
After more than a decade at war, I'm surprised by this seeming disparity between the awards system of today and days past. Is this due to the system being broken? It would be easy to just say that "the wars aren't as intense as Vietnam/Europe/Korea" but between the initial Invasion to the Battles of Fallujah and the Korengal Valley, I think it's safe to say you all have had it just as rough as those who came before you.
Do you think the system can be fixed? Do you think there will be more highly decorated guys/gals emerging in the coming years as the services catch up? Every few months, we get stories about a WWII vet finally being awarded a Silver Star decades later, so I'm sure such things will continue into the future.
I know we have had this discussion before (great thread here https://shadowspear.com/vb/threads/our-broken-awards-system.5507/page-2), but I was curious to hear what some of you have to say regarding the topic.