Top SEAL gives deadline

[BloodStripe]

Let's be real. NSW isn't going anywhere. Look at what the Army and Marines did in Vietnam. They are still here today.

 

[Gunz]

Let's be real. NSW isn't going anywhere. Look at what the Army and Marines did in Vietnam. They are still here today.

Hello, Mr. Parlatore? How much do you cost?

 

[x SF med]

What ever happened to the old edict that SOF guys had to be held to higher standards in everything - training, professionalism, ethics, morals and integrity? Just my old school thoughts.

 

[Box]

I'm still waiting for an invoice - there is no way this shit show can be free of charge !!!

 

[EqualReaction]

What would happen to the guys who are solid dudes and have millions of dollars invested in them if they disbanded the Teams?

 

[Devildoc]

What would happen to the guys who are solid dudes and have millions of dollars invested in them if they disbanded the Teams?

They aren't going to disband the teams. They might disband a particular team, or reorganize it. They certainly might reorganize some platoons. But all of the SEAL teams? Nah. But in the "old" days the SEALs could have gone to their previous rates. Not now since all are SOs.

But I do note with a great deal of sardonic irony their medics couldn't even revert to corpsman since none of them are corpsman anymore.

 

[Box]

The "threat" of disbanding makes you wonder how hollow or realistic the "Abrams Charter" would be if applied across the entire Special Operations enterprise....

"The Ranger Battalion is to be an elite, light and most proficient infantry battalion in the world. A Battalion that can do things with its hands and weapons better than anyone. The Battalion will contain no "hoodlums or brigands" and if the battalion is formed from such persons, it will be disbanded. Wherever the Battalion goes, it must be apparent that it is the best."

NOTHING should ever be treated like it is "too big to fail"


The "SO" rating for SEALs and the 18-Series MOS were two of the biggest mistakes ever made.
It may have gave folks a route to stay in SOF longer, but it also provided an "anchor" for dirt bags that managed to squeeze through the selection process.
Fuck up and you go back to the fleet
Fuck up, and you go back to the "big Army"

To any self respecting SF guy such a fate was the worst form of punishment.
Now guys just get out and go to work contracting for 10,000 a year more than they make in uniform.
Or they write a fucking book.
...some punishment

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Now guys just get out and go to work contracting for 10,000 a year more than they make in uniform.
Or they write a fucking book.
...some punishment

It's too bad the government does not have them sign some type of document that all but prevents them from writing an "I was there" book. At least with any accuracy that is....if only such a document existed....

 

[Box]

HAHAHAHAHA

what a silly idea - who ever heard of such a thing?
Besides, why would anyone be so dumb as to sign some arbitrary statement that promises non-disclosure of the operations and training that you conducted while serving the nation.

How does such a statement encourage the entrepreneurial ideals of American capitalism?

 

[Marauder06]

A little bit of meaningful enforcement would go s long way towards curbing this type of behavior.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

Edit: nevermind pointless ramblings of why I don't like SEALs. Carry on all...

 

[Devildoc]

@Diamondback 2/2 , I think many of us share similar stories. I have a few buddies who were SEALs (all of us are out now), and they are as solid as they come. They are also in a minority, and they are also rightly pissed at what's gone down over the past few years.

 

[Diamondback 2/2]

@Diamondback 2/2 , I think many of us share similar stories. I have a few buddies who were SEALs (all of us are out now), and they are as solid as they come. They are also in a minority, and they are also rightly pissed at what's gone down over the past few years.

Yeah I edited it, pretty pointless rant on my part. No need to air any dirt, they do that shit pretty well on their own.

 

[EqualReaction]

The scary thing is that this could happen in any high performance community, military or civilian. When you can get away with almost anything then anything becomes possible. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Devildoc]

Yeah I edited it, pretty pointless rant on my part. No need to air any dirt, they do that shit pretty well on their own.

Don't get me wrong, I had no issue with what you posted. I was just pointing out that your anecdotes were but a small example, to illustrate how big the problem is.

 

[Teufel]

The scary thing is that this could happen in any high performance community, military or civilian. When you can get away with almost anything then anything becomes possible. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We should encourage leaders to curb absolute power with rules, regulations, and general discipline. That might work if ‘we’ tried it.

 

[AWP]

You could take your most problematic team (which appears to be 7) and break it up. Shotgun members to other teams, especially the west coast. Break up any homesteading that's occurred without punishing the entirety of NSW. Take a hard look at your Senior NCO's in the broken Team and force some retirements. Kill the careers of your worst 2-3 officers in said Team. Take the targeted Team out of any deployments until it can rebuild some cohesion after all of the moves.

Letters, stand downs...bah. Sometimes you have to drop some bodies for the survivors to learn.

 

[SaintKP]

Letters, stand downs...bah. Sometimes you have to drop some bodies for the survivors to learn.

We had to do this when I took over at my current job, place was filled with shitbirds and the culture was a toxic cesspit of abject indifference that was at best complacency to the current environment and at worst actively promoting it.

You seperate the wheat from the chaff immediately and without hesitation. Either people get the message or they won't, to change an environment and culture that is such an antithesis to your own goals requires zero compromise and being absolute in your plan.

Its rough, but sometimes the forest needs to burn for it to thrive in the long run.

 

[Deleted member 2517]

So to shed light on “Fight club”- the “Charters” are not enforced like you would be led to believe. Since 9/11, most guys stay in Batt. Often in the same Batt, sometimes the same company, and occasionally the same PLT. When “charter time” came back about the time I showed up, it was a burden and a blessing.

If a guy wants to make E8 in Batt, he has to do something outside of Batt. RASP/RASPII/SURT cadre all count. RI fine counts- though most dudes Regiment wants to keep stay in house as either A)RSTC (prior mentioned courses) or B) gets a Cush job near their old Batt as a BLC instructor. The bad ones who need real time away or are not wanted back go be RI’s at Ranger school or go to the Big Army (not including the E9 level).

This all goes back to what @Box brought up- guys keep their MOS in Regiment. A tabbed infantryman is still an 11BV4. A commo dude is still a 25 series with the V4 identifier. It makes it easier for Regiment and the Army to keep tactically competent dudes around or send them somewhere else to be a stud, even if they are shitbags.

SEALs having a rating that essentially keeps them out of Big Navy prevents them from going there and being used as an asset. For instance- a Regiment medic who gets RFS’d can go to the 82nd and know what is up, honestly with SOCM be a better asset than most PAs, and continue serving. Albeit unhappily. But they can go take a job in the Army. SEAL medics can’t say the same.

 

[DA SWO]

You could take your most problematic team (which appears to be 7) and break it up. Shotgun members to other teams, especially the west coast. Break up any homesteading that's occurred without punishing the entirety of NSW. Take a hard look at your Senior NCO's in the broken Team and force some retirements. Kill the careers of your worst 2-3 officers in said Team. Take the targeted Team out of any deployments until it can rebuild some cohesion after all of the moves.

Letters, stand downs...bah. Sometimes you have to drop some bodies for the survivors to learn.

Disband that team and add a Plt to the other teams.
You's whack a shit ton of Field Grade positions, and a bunch of E8/9 slots.
Leadership notices stuff like that.